bush. both are cofounders of the ridge schmidt cyber initiative. good to have you back. >> good to be here. >> you wrote an op-ed not too long ago calling us our own worst enemy. what did you mean by that? >> i think we have underestimated and our goal is to raise the notion you have to build a culture of resiliency in your operations. look, the private sector looks to expand the network through cyberspace. they talk to customers and supplier suppliers. they do it for sufficiency reasons and profitability reasons. when you extend yourself, you increase your vulnerability. we're own worst enemies when we don't pay attention. >> howard, ten years, i found this hard to believe, since we unveiled this national strategy to try to secure cyberspace in this country, and yet, politically you make comparisons between that and the the fiscal cliff. what is the dispute? why the elongated period of inaction? >> well, that's the tough piece that we have problems understanding. we hear both sads saying we need to do more. we need to reduce vulnerables. we need t